0001 1 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY, FLORIDA 2 UCN: 522003CA006649XXCICI REF: 03-006649-CI-13 3 4 MELVIN SEMBLER 5 and BETTY SEMBLER, 6 Plaintiffs, 7 vs. 8 RICHARD BRADBURY, 9 Defendant. ___________________________/ 10 11 12 PROCEEDINGS: Hearing on Stipulations 13 BEFORE: The Honorable Mark I. Shames Circuit Court Judge 14 DATE: December 28, 2006, 9:37 a.m. 15 PLACE: St. Petersburg Judicial Building 16 545 First Avenue North St. Petersburg, FL 33701 17 REPORTED BY: Lee Ann McIlravey, RPR, CRR 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 0002 1 APPEARANCES: 2 LEONARD S. ENGLANDER, ESQUIRE TERRY L. HIRSCH, ESQUIRE 3 Englander & Fischer, P.A. 721 First Avenue North 4 St. Petersburg, FL 33701 Attorneys for Plaintiffs 5 THOMAS H. MCGOWAN, ESQUIRE 6 Thomas H. McGowan, P.A. 150 2nd Avenue North 7 Suite 870 St. Petersburg, FL 33701 8 Attorney for Defendant 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 0003 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 THE COURT: Okay. Gentlemen, we're scheduled 3 this morning for multiple hearings on the Sembler 4 versus Bradbury case, 03-6649-CI-13. 5 And based on our discussions previously, my 6 understanding is there has been some resolution of a 7 majority of the matters and a resolution of the 8 remainder -- at least in terms of the process by 9 which we'll resolve the remainder of the issues. 10 And counsel, I trust that before we talk about 11 specifically what the terms are going to be, that 12 everyone has had the opportunity to consult with 13 their clients and determine that you have the 14 authority to make the representations that you're 15 going to make and to proceed along these lines. 16 Mr. McGowan? 17 MR. MCGOWAN: Thomas McGowan for the defendant, 18 Richard Bradbury. 19 I have discussed each of these issues with him 20 and he's in agreement. 21 THE COURT: Okay. And Mr. Englander? 22 MR. ENGLANDER: We have discussed these issues 23 with our clients and they are in agreement. 24 THE COURT: Okay. Very good. Thank you. 25 Who's going to take responsibility for the 0004 1 initial presentation? 2 MR. ENGLANDER: I will, your Honor. 3 THE COURT: Okay. 4 MR. ENGLANDER: If I may read this. 5 We'd ask that your Honor -- the parties have 6 stipulated and agreed to a number of points, and 7 we'd ask that your Honor ratify and confirm the 8 terms of the stipulations as well as some other 9 things when we get to the end. 10 In reading them, they are as follows: 11 Number 1, counts 2 and 3 of the complaint are 12 dismissed without prejudice. 13 Number 2, as reflected in the depositions and 14 other papers filed in conjunction with this cause, 15 the defendant does not challenge the factual 16 assertions giving rise to plaintiffs' relief under 17 the stalking statute; there is no factual issue for 18 the Court to resolve except for the 19 constitutionality of Florida stalking statute. 20 3, defendant does challenge the 21 constitutionality of Florida stalking statute, the 22 determination of which shall solely be through the 23 defendant's motion and memorandum in support of 24 summary judgment and the plaintiffs' memorandum in 25 opposition to Bradbury's motion for summary 0005 1 judgment. 2 Number 4, under the authority of Carpineta 3 versus Shields -- and I'll give the court reporters 4 that spelling in a moment if they need it -- 70 5 So.2d 573, Florida Supreme Court, 1954, Thomas 6 versus Thomas 882 So.2d 1037 -- 7 MR. HIRSCH: Smith. 8 MR. ENGLANDER: Thomas versus Smith, 882 So.2d 9 1037, a Florida Second District Court of Appeals 10 decision in 2004, and Wizkowski versus Hillsborough 11 County, 651 So.2d 1223, another Florida Second 12 District Court of Appeals decision from 1995, the 13 Court shall treat the defendant's summary judgment 14 as a cross-motion such that if the defendant's 15 motion is denied, the plaintiffs shall prevail under 16 count 1 of the amended complaint. 17 Number 5, in the event the plaintiffs prevail, 18 the temporary injunction entered on August 26th, 19 2003, together with the terms of the order on 20 emergency motion to extend temporary injunction 21 protection dated August 24th, 2006, shall be 22 incorporated into a permanent injunction as 23 plaintiffs' sole relief. 24 6, to the extent that the plaintiffs prevail on 25 count 1, they shall not pursue their motion for 0006 1 contempt or for order to show cause. 2 Number 7, to the extent that the plaintiffs do 3 not prevail and the defendant does prevail, it will 4 be without prejudice to an automatic injunction or 5 stay of the existing temporary injunction and order 6 on the motion to extend pending appeal. 7 MR. MCGOWAN: Right, subject to a hearing on a 8 bond or -- 9 MR. ENGLANDER: Correct, subject to a hearing 10 on a bond. 11 MR. MCGOWAN: Right. 12 MR. ENGLANDER: The last two issues are, number 13 one, that the Dr. Cohen report is or should be 14 deemed a part of the record in this case, but the 15 original will be -- I am handing today to 16 Mr. McGowan, who has agreed to undertake the 17 necessary steps under the rules of procedure and 18 judicial administration to have it placed under seal 19 for the benefit of his client. 20 Finally, we leave to your Honor the question of 21 entitlement, if any, as to fees and costs under 22 counts 2 and 3. 23 And this is the stipulation of the parties. Am 24 I correct, Mr. McGowan? 25 MR. MCGOWAN: You're correct. 0007 1 THE COURT: Okay. So my understanding of your 2 agreement, gentlemen, is that I will make the 3 determination as to the constitutionality of the 4 Florida stalking statute. 5 Let's put a number in the record so it's clear 6 that everyone's talking about the exact same statute 7 number, because it seemed to me there was an errata 8 at some point -- 9 MR. MCGOWAN: There was. 10 THE COURT: -- where the statute number was -- 11 MR. ENGLANDER: It's under -- the stalking 12 statute is 784.048. The relief which is afforded as 13 a result of that statute is -- I've got a copy of it 14 here -- comes about as a result of 7 -- bear with 15 me -- can we go off the record for just a moment? 16 THE COURT: Sure. 17 MR. ENGLANDER: May we, Mr. McGowan? 18 MR. MCGOWAN: Of course. 19 (A discussion was held off the record.) 20 MR. ENGLANDER: So we're agreeing that the 21 Court, in effect, is going to rule on the 22 constitutionality of 784.048, the enforcement of 23 which, if it is deemed constitutional, is afforded 24 pursuant to the statutory mechanism that's in place. 25 THE COURT: And specifically, the temporary -- 0008 1 by your agreement, as I understand it, the temporary 2 injunction that was previously entered by the Court 3 will become permanent -- 4 MR. ENGLANDER: Correct. 5 THE COURT: -- according to its terms by virtue 6 of the authority of 784.048, if I deem it 7 constitutional. 8 MR. ENGLANDER: Correct. 9 THE COURT: If I deem it unconstitutional, then 10 certainly the issue will go somewhere from here, but 11 the plaintiff will have the right to come in and 12 seek to continue the temporary injunction in effect, 13 notwithstanding the ruling of the 14 unconstitutionality, pending review, and that the 15 issue of a stay and the issue of any applicable bond 16 would be addressed at hearing with notice 17 subsequent. 18 MR. ENGLANDER: Correct, your Honor. 19 MR. MCGOWAN: Correct. 20 MR. ENGLANDER: With one caveat. There are two 21 temporary injunctions in place. And I want to make 22 sure that when we talk about that, instead of just 23 saying it in the singular, there are two things out 24 there. 25 There is the temporary injunction which was 0009 1 entered on August 26th, 2003, and then the terms of 2 the order on the emergency motion to extend the 3 temporary injunction dated August 24th, 2006. Both 4 of those are the temporary injunction that we would 5 seek to be placed into a permanent injunction. 6 THE COURT: Okay. And because I wasn't 7 involved in those, notwithstanding the '06 date -- 8 if memory serves, it was done in '06, when I took 9 over responsibility for this case. But in going 10 through the court file in preparation, I noticed 11 that Judge Rondolino did it. And I'm guessing, 12 since I never heard anything about it, was that he 13 had dealt with part of it and he agreed to finish 14 that up. 15 MR. ENGLANDER: I believe so. 16 MR. MCGOWAN: I think we just agreed -- I think 17 we just stipulated to -- 18 MR. ENGLANDER: We did. 19 MR. MCGOWAN: Basically what it did is it 20 extended the temporary injunction as to the Semblers 21 to Mr. Englander and to his office. 22 THE COURT: Right. Okay. 23 MR. ENGLANDER: And the way that happened, we 24 cued that up in the form of a motion and a hearing. 25 And at the hearing in front of Judge Rondolino, 0010 1 Mr. McGowan stipulated to it, Mr. Bradbury 2 stipulated to it. And then it was supposed to have 3 been ratified in a court order, and somehow I think 4 it just was not. 5 MR. MCGOWAN: Right. 6 MR. ENGLANDER: And I think both of us 7 realized, wait a minute, we need to embody this in 8 an order; it's never somehow administratively gotten 9 in the -- the judge has not executed it. And we got 10 it to him, and it's now been executed. 11 THE COURT: Okay. But at that point, 12 notwithstanding the case had passed to me, Judge 13 Rondolino did it because he's the one that dealt 14 with the initial issue. 15 MR. ENGLANDER: Correct. 16 MR. MCGOWAN: Correct. 17 THE COURT: Okay. Okay. I just want to make 18 sure the record's clear, primarily that we're 19 talking about both injunctions, which we've 20 confirmed as to what they are, the initial one 21 granted by Judge Logan, if memory serves, and then 22 the supplemental one that included Mr. Englander and 23 your law firm and -- 24 MR. ENGLANDER: Correct. 25 THE COURT: -- family, et cetera, et cetera. 0011 1 Okay. So we've confirmed -- my first issue was 2 to make sure that we have the statute we're talking 3 about. Secondly, I want to make sure that I 4 understand what you're doing with Dr. Cohen's 5 report. 6 It's contemplated that the original will become 7 part of the record. My understanding is that you 8 appreciate that if there's going to be an effort to 9 seal it, which is contemplated, that the procedural 10 requirements and the substantive requirements of 11 applicable law rule and Supreme Court rule are met; 12 and we will have an opportunity for those things to 13 be addressed, notice and everything else; and when 14 you're ready, it will be put on my calendar. 15 MR. MCGOWAN: Right. 16 THE COURT: Okay. But, Mr. McGowan, you're 17 going to take the lead in setting that up. 18 MR. MCGOWAN: Correct. 19 THE COURT: Okay. The issue of the 20 constitutionality, I will confirm that I have 21 received the plaintiffs' motion -- I'm sorry, the 22 defendant's motion for summary judgment that was 23 going to be addressed today. 24 I've received the memorandum in terms of the -- 25 I'm not so sure with regard to the defendant. It 0012 1 was a separate memorandum as opposed -- well, it was 2 part of the motion. There was a memorandum 3 contained in the motion. There's a loose-leaf 4 binder that I have here with all of that, as well as 5 the authorities cited. I have the memorandum of law 6 in opposition to Bradbury's motion for summary 7 judgment filed on behalf of the plaintiffs and I've 8 got the loose-leaf binder that has all the 9 authority. 10 Have I got everything that everyone wants to 11 submit to me for purposes of my making the analysis 12 and the decision? 13 MR. MCGOWAN: Yes, your Honor. 14 MR. ENGLANDER: Yes. 15 THE COURT: Okay. And we're agreeing that 16 we're going to waive any further oral argument, that 17 I've already got -- I don't need another hearing; 18 I've already got everything that you want me to 19 consider; I'll reserve; I'll review everything; I'll 20 make my decision. 21 And I do contemplate that I will notify both 22 attorneys of my decision and direct that one or the 23 other prepare an appropriate order, or I may choose 24 to do it myself, but I will certainly notify 25 everybody when I've made the decision and where we 0013 1 go from there. 2 But the salient point here is that there's 3 nothing more that I should expect from you all or 4 will expect from you all; I've got what I need to 5 make the decision that you all have agreed you want 6 me to make as dispositive. 7 MR. ENGLANDER: That is correct, Judge. The 8 only thing we'd ask you to do today is rule on the 9 issue of the entitlement, based upon the record and 10 the pleadings, of attorneys' fees and court costs as 11 to counts 2 and 3. 12 THE COURT: Okay. Counts 2 and 3 are being 13 voluntarily dismissed by the plaintiff -- 14 MR. ENGLANDER: Correct. 15 THE COURT: -- as part of this resolution. 16 Okay. Mr. McGowan, there was no counterclaim 17 filed on behalf of the defendant? 18 MR. MCGOWAN: There was not. 19 THE COURT: Were there any affirmative defenses 20 addressed to attorneys' fees? 21 MR. MCGOWAN: There were not. 22 THE COURT: Is there any pending motion 23 relating to attorneys' fees under any basis 24 whatsoever? 25 MR. MCGOWAN: There is a claim for fees in the 0014 1 sum section of the complaint by the plaintiff -- 2 MR. ENGLANDER: By the plaintiff, but not by 3 the defendant. 4 MR. MCGOWAN: -- which I believe they 5 acknowledge they are not entitled to by statute or 6 the contract. We have made no claim in our 7 pleadings for any fees. 8 There was talk in -- and I have a sketchy 9 recollection of some sanction of fees in discovery, 10 and frankly, I'm not even sure against which party, 11 or it could have gone both ways. I would say that 12 that is de minimis. 13 THE COURT: Okay. I believe, if memory serves, 14 today is my first substantive involvement with this 15 case, notwithstanding that it's been around for 16 three years and notwithstanding that I'm scheduled 17 to try it in February. 18 So I'm going to rely on you gentlemen, and I 19 have no reason not to, but under the circumstances, 20 it sounds as if there is no pending substantive 21 basis for fees that I should consider or consider 22 deferring ruling with regard to. 23 So at this point, based on the fact that we 24 contemplate a voluntary dismissal of counts 2 and 3, 25 given the fact that there would be no statutory 0015 1 basis for fees under count 1 of the injunction 2 action, and given the fact that there is no 3 counterclaim, affirmative defense or other pending 4 motion on behalf of the defendant with regard to the 5 fees, I will order that each side will be 6 responsible for its own fees and costs in this 7 matter, regardless of the outcome of my decision on 8 count 1. 9 As I said, if it's just about the statutory 10 authority for the injunction, I'm not aware of any 11 statutory basis for fees that would accrue to one or 12 the other of the parties under that statute. So 13 that will be my ruling at this point. 14 Is there anything that we've left unaddressed, 15 anything that you all want me to address today that 16 I haven't, either because you set it and I didn't 17 address it or anything additional that you feel 18 would be appropriate or necessary to bring up? 19 Mr. Englander? 20 MR. ENGLANDER: None, your Honor. 21 THE COURT: Mr. McGowan? 22 MR. MCGOWAN: Nothing, your Honor. 23 THE COURT: Okay. Let me go over the schedule 24 for today and confirm what we're doing. 25 We had a bunch of things set. The defendant's 0016 1 motion for summary judgment is not made moot but is 2 left solely for consideration of the 3 constitutionality of the statute. 4 MR. MCGOWAN: Correct. 5 THE COURT: And while I'm thinking of that, let 6 me confirm also my understanding of your agreement, 7 that notwithstanding that there is no cross-motion 8 for summary judgment filed on behalf of the 9 plaintiffs, which the case authority suggests would 10 be the better way to address this, the parties have 11 agreed that under the circumstances, the issue to be 12 decided, the constitutionality, notwithstanding that 13 it was raised by the defendant in the negative, that 14 is, that the statute is not constitutional, that the 15 parties agree that in making that decision I will 16 have the authority, pursuant to the case law, to 17 find as another alternative -- notwithstanding the 18 lack of an affirmative motion for summary judgment 19 on behalf of the plaintiffs if the statute is 20 constitutional, then I'll have the authority to make 21 that decision either way under the authority of 22 Carpineta versus Shields, which is 70 So.2d 573. 23 The other cases you've cited are Thomas versus 24 Smith, cited as 882 So.2d 1037. And the final 25 authority that you've presented to me is Wizkowski 0017 1 versus Hillsborough County, cited at 651 So.2d 1223. 2 MR. ENGLANDER: I've given a copy of that to 3 the court reporter, Judge. 4 THE COURT: All three cases? 5 MR. ENGLANDER: Yes. 6 THE COURT: Okay. Thank you. I don't need to 7 go through the spellings. 8 Okay. So that deals with summary judgment that 9 was on our plate today. 10 Plaintiffs' motion for order to show cause is 11 the contempt issue; that should I find the statute 12 constitutional, the plaintiffs have stipulated that 13 they will not be pursuing the issue of the order to 14 show cause. It will be subsumed, I believe, in the 15 temporary injunction being made permanent. 16 So let's link this through and make sure we 17 cover all the bases. 18 Should I find the statute unconstitutional, the 19 plaintiff would, at least by virtue of the terms of 20 the agreement, have the right to proceed on the 21 motion for order to show cause. But interestingly 22 enough, the substantive ruling of lack of 23 constitutionality might impede actually pursuing the 24 motion for contempt on a substantive basis. 25 MR. ENGLANDER: Correct. 0018 1 THE COURT: So it seems a little incongruous, 2 but I just want to make sure that we're all on the 3 same page as far as what we're talking about, what 4 we've done with what was on the record today. 5 MR. ENGLANDER: Correct. 6 THE COURT: Okay? 7 MR. MCGOWAN: Yes, sir. 8 THE COURT: Okay. Defendant's motion to take 9 deposition out of time would be deemed moot today 10 because the case is being resolved. 11 We're taking the pretrial off the calendar for 12 January 4th. We're taking the jury trial set to 13 start on the Court's two-week jury docket starting 14 February 12th, '07 off the calendar because no 15 matter what I rule on the constitutionality, it's 16 either going to be self-effectuating in terms of 17 constitutional, therefore temporary injunction gets 18 made permanent, therefore motion for contempt falls 19 by the wayside, everything else continues to be 20 moot, or if I find it unconstitutional, we'll set up 21 further appellate review, but none of it is factual, 22 none of it requires trial. 23 MR. ENGLANDER: Correct. 24 MR. MCGOWAN: Correct. 25 THE COURT: Okay. So those things are off the 0019 1 calendar. 2 The defendant's renewed motion for independent 3 psychological examination that was on the calendar 4 today is moot -- made moot by this agreement. 5 Defendant's supplemental motion for 6 psychological examination is made moot by what's 7 being done today. 8 There are no other pending motions that I'm 9 aware of, other than we might have reserved some 10 motions in limine for trial that obviously become 11 moot today. 12 Mr. Englander, anything else -- now that I've 13 covered that, anything else that we need to address? 14 MR. ENGLANDER: No, Judge. I just want to make 15 absolutely certain that somewhere in what we've said 16 here that your Honor has ratified and confirmed the 17 terms and conditions of our stipulation. You may 18 have said it, but I'm not sure -- 19 THE COURT: I haven't said it, but I will say 20 it. I want to make sure we've got everything set so 21 I can comprehensively and globally address 22 everything with my confirmation and my approval. 23 Mr. McGowan, anything additional on behalf of 24 the defendant? 25 MR. MCGOWAN: No, nothing additional, your 0020 1 Honor. 2 THE COURT: Okay. Then, gentlemen, I commend 3 you for the obviously extensive time and effort 4 you've put into the resolution of an extremely 5 difficult situation on behalf of everybody. 6 I find that the proposed resolution is in the 7 best interest of everybody given the uncertainties 8 of litigation, given the difficulty of this 9 litigation, given the nature of this particular 10 litigation. 11 And because I do find it manifestly in the best 12 interest of not only the parties but the system as 13 well, I will approve it and I will confirm it; I 14 will reserve jurisdiction to address the executory 15 matters set out in the agreement that we've 16 addressed; and I will reserve to address any and all 17 matters that follow the settlement. 18 And I contemplate that we want to have an order 19 that sets forth the confirmation and approval of the 20 settlement, sets forth my ruling on the attorneys' 21 fees, sets forth my reservation. 22 And I guess we should talk about this. Can we 23 do this in two separate parts? Can we get the 24 preparation of an order that confirms all of this 25 and puts it in writing and reserves the executory 0021 1 matter -- as to the executory matters for purposes 2 of understanding and review? 3 MR. ENGLANDER: I'm happy to order, your Honor, 4 a copy of the transcript, pay for it and file it. I 5 mean, I'm happy to do that to make it easy. If not, 6 if your Honor prefers, I'll take the initiative and 7 draft the stipulation. I just hate having to do 8 that thinking that there's a possibility that 9 somebody changes their mind. 10 THE COURT: Well, I'm not talking about the 11 stipulation. Let me make it clear. 12 MR. ENGLANDER: Okay. 13 THE COURT: What we've done now is you all laid 14 everything out for me and I'm ordering that I 15 approve it, confirm it, ratify it, and I'm reserving 16 certain things that I'm going to do. I'm talking 17 about getting that reduced to an order, getting my 18 adjudication reduced to an order, not your 19 stipulation. 20 MR. ENGLANDER: Okay. 21 THE COURT: Other than a reference to the 22 stipulation -- 23 MR. ENGLANDER: Okay. 24 THE COURT: -- or a reference to what you've 25 set out for -- 0022 1 MR. MCGOWAN: Yeah. And I think if we do both, 2 if this gets -- if you have this ordered and put in 3 the file, the Court in its order can reference the 4 findings you made so there's nothing inconsistent. 5 THE COURT: Well, let me say this. We're 6 talking about doing this either in one part or two 7 parts. Maybe that's the confusion. 8 I mean, certainly there's got to be 9 something -- there's got to be some adjudication so 10 everyone can go forward from some point. All I'm 11 suggesting is maybe we do it in two parts, where we 12 memorialize what I've adjudicated today, which is 13 confirmation of a settlement and reserving what I'm 14 going to do, and then finishing it up with a final 15 order after I've made the determination as to the 16 constitutionality. 17 The alternative is to do one final 18 comprehensive order, but obviously somewhere there's 19 got to be some adjudication, because otherwise we 20 haven't resolved anything. 21 MR. ENGLANDER: Yeah, I think you're right. 22 And I'm happy just to prepare, for example, this 23 cause came on to be heard upon the joint stipulation 24 of the parties as reflected in the record, and the 25 Court, having -- you know, ratifies and confirms 0023 1 them. 2 THE COURT: Yeah. 3 MR. ENGLANDER: And we will make reference to 4 the fact that a transcript has been filed or will be 5 filed of the stipulation on the hearing -- 6 THE COURT: That's fine. 7 MR. ENGLANDER: -- this morning. 8 THE COURT: I'm not trying to open up issues 9 that I think we resolved. All I'm trying to do is 10 make sure that we've memorialized what I'm doing. 11 MR. ENGLANDER: Yeah. 12 THE COURT: But I think it has to have a 13 reference to the authority I had -- 14 MR. MCGOWAN: Of course. 15 THE COURT: -- to adjudicate it, which was the 16 representation from counsel that the clients have 17 agreed to this resolution. 18 But the rest of it, my concern is that I 19 adjudicate what you've asked me to adjudicate, 20 reserved what you've asked me to reserve, and that 21 there will be another order down the road. But 22 unless I adjudicate, we've got no basis for 23 appellate action or review. 24 MR. MCGOWAN: That's fine. 25 THE COURT: Okay. So, Mr. Englander, you 0024 1 volunteered to accept responsibility. Make sure 2 that whatever you prepare goes to Mr. McGowan -- 3 MR. ENGLANDER: Yes. 4 THE COURT: -- before it comes to me. And when 5 it comes to me, if it's been approved and it 6 comports with my ruling and my understanding of my 7 ruling, I'll sign it, and it will contain a 8 reservation; and I will resolve this outstanding 9 matter as soon as I can, and then we'll go from 10 there. 11 MR. ENGLANDER: Thank you, your Honor. And 12 thanks for taking the time to do this with us this 13 morning. 14 THE COURT: Thank you all. 15 MR. MCGOWAN: Thank you very much. 16 (THE PROCEEDINGS WERE CONCLUDED) 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 0025 1 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE 2 3 STATE OF FLORIDA ) 4 COUNTY OF PINELLAS ) 5 I, Lee Ann McIlravey, RPR, CRR, certify that I was authorized to and did stenographically report the 6 proceedings herein, and that the transcript is a true and complete record of my stenographic notes. 7 8 DATED this 29th day of December, 2006. 9 10 ______________________________ LEE ANN MCILRAVEY, RPR, CRR 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25